Friday, June 6, 2008

Episode 3 - Lotus Notes Sucks and I Hate All Of You!

... where we discuss Napkin-Development, Brokering your way to Data Store architecture Nirvana, and Chris totally forgets the name of the application that he spends more than 8 hours a day using!

Note: We're trying 2-channel Stereo to give you the "in the middle of a conversation feel" - feedback on this suggested change is greatly appreciated!


Show Notes

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Guys, I have been trying to download your podcasts via Feedburner and iTunes with no success - has been like this for over a week now

Feedburner gives a "failed - click to restart" and iTunes gives err = -3259

Have tried all times of day with no success

Sean

Chris said...

Yep. I'm having the same issue on iTunes.

Craig said...

Me, too. I just figured that y'all had me blocked....

8-)

Charles Robinson said...

The iTunes download has never worked for me; I've always gotten the error -3259. Last night the connection to media.yellowcast.net kept timing out, but this morning I was able to download Episode 3.

Theo Heselmans (Xceed) said...

Hi Guys,
Great episode again. Tx.
I liked the 'stereo' effect.
(It took some persistence, but finally got iTunes to download)

Glad you mentioned that splitting UI/Data is particularly interesting for Domino/Web development. Pure Notes development (yes, it still happens a lot) does not benefit from this approach, unless you're doing composite apps.
Although I don't always agree, I do keep on listening ;-)

Erskine said...

Okay guys another good episode.

I will admit I do miss the jokes from episode 1 and 2, but this one is still packed with great information.

Chris Toohey said...

@Sean, Chris, and Craig:
We're actually trying to remedy the connectivity issues right now - moving onto a new hosting service which should help address the download issues.

@Charles:
I ran into the same thing with my Zune - errors, but downloaded it while I wasn't looking...

@Theo:
"Pure Notes Development [...] does not benefit from this approach..." - you did listen to the podcast right?! ;-)

The Broker approach completely opens the door to alternate entry points into an application. Here's another quick example. I just published a simple application for download called SOTU. The "response" documents in this application are children documents of the "server" documents, and I built that relationship via the applied application logic in the "sotu" Script Library. I did not however set the Type attribute on the "response" Form Design Element to "Response"... as I didn't want to rely on Notes UI controls for the functionality. The reason: the next release, I may want to break the parent/child relationship between the "server" and "response" documents. I do that in the application's logic-engine (the broker in this case) and I'm set. I go with the standard RAD method, and I'm stuck making multiple design changes months down the line.

Just another example - your opinion may not be swayed, and that's cool!

@Erskine:
I thought Tim and I were pretty damned funny without resorting to the "morning zoo" soundboard... although I'll admit I did miss it. In truth, I'm not quite happy with the post-production work on this episode...

Mike Miller said...

I dig the salty language. :-)

m3 - Martin Leyrer said...

Nice podcast, a few issues though. ;)

1) Could you add album art to the mp3?

2) Publication Year is added as an ID3v1 tag but not as an ID3v2 tag.

3) I am not happy with the hard stereo sound. The way you mixed this episode makes it impossible to listen to it with just one headphone on (I have to hear my collegues calling me). Also, if you listen to two people, you usually don't hear one person only in one ear.
WikiRecording.org says:
It's a good idea to always check your mix in mono because there is no guarantee people will always listen in stereo and generally a kickass mix in mono will also sound good in stereo, but not always the other way around. http://www.wikirecording.org/How_to_Approach_Panning

m3 - Martin Leyrer said...

OH, and I forgot: Could you give the MP3 files a more meaningful name than "3.mp3"? Thanks!

martin.humpolec said...

The stereo efect is quite strange for me. It is perfect when you speak together, but as mainly spoke just one of you it was... well strange.

kerr said...

Good content, but I'll have to agree with those that don't like the hard stereo. Just giving a little weighting so each voice is a more to one side than the other would probably give you a much better result. I only had one earphone in for the first 5 minutes and thought you'd just messed up the recording ;)

Anywho, keep up the good work.

Bruce & Kathy said...

Just listened to Episode 3 on the way into work this morning. After listened to your first 3 podcasts and seeing all the blog posts about V8.5 & XPages, I was wondering if what you are talking about is similiar (not the same technology of course) to what XPages will allow you to do? Or am I missing something?

Tim Tripcony said...

@bruce&kathy - Indeed... in fact, that's precisely what we'll be discussing during the Geek Speak segment for Episode 4.

Bruce & Kathy said...

@tim... Cool, It's nice to know that occasionally I can add 2 & 2 together and get 4 - lol

Tim Tripcony said...

Actually, 2 + 2 = 4, 2 & 2 = "22"...

Sorry, couldn't resist injecting a LotusScript joke. :)

Eric R said...

Another great show guys. Well done!